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 F: Seeing like a State: counterposes top down authoritarian models to the notion of local knowledge (figure of Ullysses , the crafty man who knew how to get things done).
-R: Advantage of the age of internet - networks that have been developed are still there. They grow - they don't disappear.
+R: Advantage of the age of internet - networks that have been developed are still there. They grow - they don't disappear. The seed under the snow. Who are the we? we are participants in the struggle, we are part of the memorey of the struggle, we can generalize, observe and bring back to people how they empowered themselves. We can present future potential back to them.
+F: how does this we translates into a network of actors in a broader struggle? To do it w/o becoming a vanguard party. while bringing all positive aspects that the vang party achieved without negative aspects. Those who have memory of the struggle, how things worked in the past - to bring it to today's activists without imposing anything on them.
+Jason: how not to become authoritarian. rank and file control - how to increase that. there is no formula to make sure that we will never fuck up again. We just need to do our best.
+Jenny: i don't see anything of this happening without violence. we are on the edge of the precipice and need to get a lot lower before the we gets bigger. living a middle class life - they still don't have any incentive to give it up. The tax bill - will take it to the limit, to kill as many of us as possible. The black lives matter folks - the phrase so profound in its simplicity - we know how it upset right wing folks that leads to violence on the streets.
+R: Violence is inevitable. Capitalism's dying like a slayed dragon with his tail knocking down eth. I insist that from our point of view, armed struggle is a loosing strategy. self defense under certina circumstances is necessary. but the hightech weapons of mass destructions, guerilla war of any kind is a suicidal tactique. I am sympathetique to theories of swarming: insects overcome their antagonists by swarming them. Soldiers on the field hide behind the bodies fo their fallen comrades. And yes, half of us is going to die. But the other half lives and the price of labor goes up - instead of an unemployed army - we'll have conditions like those in the end of Middle ages. It took a lot of effort to wipe out the yeomen's advantages.
+Imagine people swarming pharma companies: workers occupy them and people surround them. they do away with intellectual property. we set up plants locallly that produce and sell for costs or for free. a way to destroy the monopoly of capitalism.
+F: people swarming high rises that are empty in NYC.
+R: describe it and give people the idea.

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