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-Fred's comment: The editor of Jacobin posted on his Facebook on how B Sanders was successful in coming up with slogans that resonated with people:just put free and for all and everything goes.
+//Fred's comment//: Bhaskar Sunkara, publisher of //Jacobin//, posted on his Facebook page about how Bernie Sanders creates slogans that resonate with people: just pick some social good, put "free" front and "for all" at the end and voila - Free healthcare for all! Free education for all! Free childcare for all! Etc.
 Richard: Stop leftists to use the phrase dictatorship of proletariat. Which Marx was not using. Opened up an easy way to attack socialism as a form of dictatorship.
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 F: Seeing like a State: counterposes top down authoritarian models to the notion of local knowledge (figure of Ullysses , the crafty man who knew how to get things done).
-R: Advantage of the age of internet - networks that have been developed are still there. They grow - they don't disappear.
+R: Advantage of the age of internet - networks that have been developed are still there. They grow - they don't disappear. The seed under the snow. Who are the we? we are participants in the struggle, we are part of the memorey of the struggle, we can generalize, observe and bring back to people how they empowered themselves. We can present future potential back to them.
+F: how does this we translates into a network of actors in a broader struggle? To do it w/o becoming a vanguard party. while bringing all positive aspects that the vang party achieved without negative aspects. Those who have memory of the struggle, how things worked in the past - to bring it to today's activists without imposing anything on them.
+Jason: how not to become authoritarian. rank and file control - how to increase that. there is no formula to make sure that we will never fuck up again. We just need to do our best.
+Jenny: i don't see anything of this happening without violence. we are on the edge of the precipice and need to get a lot lower before the we gets bigger. living a middle class life - they still don't have any incentive to give it up. The tax bill - will take it to the limit, to kill as many of us as possible. The black lives matter folks - the phrase so profound in its simplicity - we know how it upset right wing folks that leads to violence on the streets.
+R: Violence is inevitable. Capitalism's dying like a slayed dragon with his tail knocking down eth. I insist that from our point of view, armed struggle is a loosing strategy. self defense under certina circumstances is necessary. but the hightech weapons of mass destructions, guerilla war of any kind is a suicidal tactique. I am sympathetique to theories of swarming: insects overcome their antagonists by swarming them. Soldiers on the field hide behind the bodies fo their fallen comrades. And yes, half of us is going to die. But the other half lives and the price of labor goes up - instead of an unemployed army - we'll have conditions like those in the end of Middle ages. It took a lot of effort to wipe out the yeomen's advantages.
+Imagine people swarming pharma companies: workers occupy them and people surround them. they do away with intellectual property. we set up plants locallly that produce and sell for costs or for free. a way to destroy the monopoly of capitalism.
+F: people swarming high rises that are empty in NYC.
+R: describe it and give people the idea.
+R: The power of narrative : Sam's poetry.
+Let's keep putting the stuff up in the formula Then How Now and later we will make it a coherent whole - but not too unified not to become those sectarian left sects. Let's have many visions of a different world. It will be more inspiring the less it is narrow and factional.
+My next thought: we need to reach out to other people. We have the about Us section and I hope that over this break we can send it out - but by a real message to people whom we know, who would be sympathetic and invite them to join in. It is doable.
+F: I thought it is easy to write THEN and relatively easy to write the NOW. the real challenge is to write the HOW. I can imagine taking Sam's poems line by line and elaborating on them. Moving away from NYC and imagining how it happneed in other regions of the world: Paris, Latin America.
+R: All the different categories: we will focalize how it all happen in all of these areas and hopefully to get people from those areas, e.g. North Africa, to internationalize it.

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