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 For those reasons and some others, collective action in the name of women’s rights was not only seen as unnecessary, but even as a threat. This rendered progress difficult.
+**NOW**
+Lola: obviously, equality of wages, division of labor/roles, representation. Indirect equalities: human relationships. How we think of "men" and "women" and their qualities. We now see them as human qualities that anyone can have.
+Jenny: at basis, we just want to be treated like human beings, to walk through the world as individuals and not representatives of a "class" (people of color experience this in the extreme). In the western world, the definition of normal has been heterosexual white male and anything that deviates from that is seen as abnormal and in need of "fixing." But NOW, women are simply seen as individual humans. Judged on behavior and talent, not in relation to a standard, but as individuals.
+Fred: denormalizing and normalizing
+Sam: Response to Richard's request of summary of Marge Percy, Margaret Atwood, etc.
+Atwood really gives a dystopian view with a utopia inserted inside as God's Gardeners. Combo of community garden movement and Anglican Church. Men have lactation as well and can feed their children.
+Percy-"Women on the Edge of Time"
+Burgoyne-Corbett (spelling?), 1889-"The New Amazonia". A dream utopia of Vegetarian, belief in a positive after-life, women led.
+Dave: Kim Stanley-Robinson-"2312" Diversity of sexuality.
+FRED: Once femininism is introduced into Utopia it ramifies out to other needs and demands, like oppressed minorities, affecting the whole society. Cf Engels "condition of women expresses condition of the whole society."
+Sam: Charlotte Perkins Gilman's HERLAND uptopia. Women reproduced their own kind.
+RG summarized Anna's WIKI piece on collective childrearing. Anthropological contribution and archiological evidence.
+David cited two books (please fill in, David) from a Marxist viewpoint. Lisa Vogal (?) and social reproduction theory. KS Robinson comes from a sort of neo-malthusian perspective projected into future. He is utopian, not distopian -- refreshing and inspiring. Distopia pushing people back into escapism.
+MOSCOW back again !!!! Scandal in Western countries. Different internationally. Women need rights as citizens. Basic rights of 20th century needed NOW. Christian and Muslims both repress women. Monks write public school state school texts on family life. Women in Iran make revolution by removing their veils and defying religious taboo. Women's lib comes with liberation of whole working class.
+David: Netflix series of imagined history of gang in Manchester.  Peekee Blinders.'Jesse Eden a real person organized women in a huge general strike around 1933, active Communist, tenants organizer etc  Dave will send her bio. Progressive messages in series. Women working for gang walk out and join general strike, struggle for equal wages, abuse at work. Powerful. Popular culture today showing progressive examples, prefiguration (Ernst Bloch), even in corporate culture.
+Alexei: among these sources one by Meryl ???? why the armed Kurdish women fighting ISIS where women are bearers of civilization against barbarism, dispelling myths about womens' 'backwardness' fighting not for 'western' values but HUMAN values; building democratic society as SUBJECTS of liberation not formal liberation as in USSR.Would like someone to report on this here.
+David knows someone. Anna is studying this.
+FRED: Nextweek: violence, non-violence, and self-defense (Kurdish women)

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